Rebuilding a CDR collection.

Oh no, not another favourite bootleg thread!

Well, sort of, but mostly looking for opinions, any help that's offered from experience of favourite discs and other's thoughts if they found themselves in the same disc-less situation.

So, earlier in the year, I had my entire boot collection collected and thrown away. Didn't give it much thought, it all just went with everything else when I had a house cleared. I now own the square root of knack all CDR's and literally hundreds of original boots are probably helping to fill a landfill site somewhere in the NW.

I'm aware of pretty much everything that's considered a classic must-have boot and everything pre '87, I'm just looking for help with which shows to get again from 87 onwards. Simply, I want no more than 3 shows per year (exceptional years, a couple more) to represent the year's touring activities.

So, what are people's thoughts on 1987?
Which shows, if any, do you play the most?
If you lost everything from 87 you own, what would you get again?
~By the way, i don't need any recommendation from the Dead mini tour~

I've only one show that immediately comes to mind, and that's the boot 'Final night and more', so, two more shows to pick, what would you plump for?

P.S. This isn't a request for shows to be put in the mail for me, i can easily request B&P's, Bittorrent etc. at a later date.

Stating the obvious Mark, but Bobsboots' must-have list includes stuff post-87 and would be a good place to start. But you'll know them anyway, I guess.

Don't bother with 2004 onwards for now.

Also gopherstick's site is the best guide for certain years such as 1995 and 2000:

[gopherstick.com]

I'm more than happy with my own shows in mind for 95 and 2000 Tim. I went to enough of them and probably played more discs from those (NET) years than any other.
Bobsboots, well, as you said, I don't need help with 'proper' boots as such. I'm aware of what's what regarding those, it's help with unbootlegged, classics, captured by the valiant few out in the field that I'm seeking out recommendations for.
It's all in the hope of gathering a much smaller and select collection this time around.
Cheers.

So, anyone, favourite (and why) '87 shows?

(sorry for the loss, songanddanceman!
yikes.
I'm going to bookmark this thread for myself- since I'm just beginning.
thank you for strarting it-)



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Its tough one 87 I like all the shows with Petty its hard to pick one. Why not get the very good Temples In Flame compilation (which you sent me thank you )

I reckon we could easily help you rebuild part of your collection, Mark, just by sending you copies of what you sent us. However, I'm sure between us we have everything that matters, so say the word and we can start building a definitive collection right away.

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I reckon we could easily help you rebuild part of your collection, Mark, just by sending you copies of what you sent us. However, I'm sure between us we have everything that matters, so say the word and we can start building a definitive collection right away.

Definitely Modena and Turin/Torino, also add in The Final Night and more boot and you've got it made



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Thanks for the offers of discs, but, like i said, there's really no rush and I'd like to hear more opinions of what to get ahold of (thanks JasonL) first.

so.
Final Night and More (a given)
Turin 1 vote
Modena 1 vote

Incidentally, anyone think 'Final Night And More' not worthy of selection? I always enjoyed it, Probably played it more than any other '87 set.

I'm staying clear of compilations Paul, they can easily drive the disc count skyward and I want to build a collection this time which doesn't make me look as though I should be in a rubber room somewhere, swatting invisible flys.

Mark,

You say you're going to draw up a list & then go looking for the items. Why not combine the two stages by, say, asking a contact to cover a NET year for you?

You could even ask for volunteers. Invite folk to sign up to cover a year & send you the best 3 shows from that year.

Think you'll find there's a lot of interest in the result. There's a lot of us who are trying to come to terms with the unmanageability of our collections - every show from a tour was bad enough but multiple recordings of every show is just crazy . . .

The shows JasonL has already recomended are great but I would also include Frankfurt for Tomorrow Is A Long Time.



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A good idea Paul R, but I'm really not in any kind of rush to get these again. A week or so into the thread, I'll decide after reading opinions what I'd like then look for help. I'll spend a couple of weeks absorbing the discs fully before heading onto another year. Thanks for input though.

so.
Final Night and More (a given)
Turin 2 votes
Modena 2 votes
Frankfurt 1 vote

mark -

after you've decided which shows you'd like to obtain (or re-obtain),
i shall be personally offended if you do not request a healthy bunch of discs from me.

it's high time you "let others do for you."

mike

how about this one, if only for its historic significance:

Locarno, Switzerland, 5 October 87, Schubert remaster of CB Master

Final Night and More (a given)
Turin 2 votes
Modena 2 votes
Frankfurt 1 vote
Locarno 1 vote

Come on ev'ryone, let's hear some more opinion/recommendation.

Cheers Mike.

by the way, this football is fucking atrocious.

(waitaminnit: did someone say SCHUBERT? !!! please explain.. ? )

this is a very happy thread
I plan to lose my collection (before I have one?) just so I can be on the receiving end here.. (just kidding, of course)

Bugger me ,well no don't ! but you are asking us Mark

Im sorry for your loss Mark, please be sure to keep us updated . Its of interest to Myself also because although I've been a fan since I was 12 , I still have very little and would welcome any recommendations .

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(waitaminnit: did someone say SCHUBERT? !!! please explain.. ? )

you make me laugh, a fan, because you seem to know so much about classical music and yet you are so new to all this dylan stuff.

especially during the last several years, the dylan fans who actually stand in the audience and surreptitiously record bob dylan concerts onto DAT tapes have given themselves trade names of sorts.

there is a european taper who goes by the name of "Schubert." he is also very talented at remastering the recordings of other tapers.

there's another european taper who goes by the name of "Bach."

songanddanceman, i'm sure that you'll get a better response when you ask about touring years other than 1987.

the european tour in 1987 had only 30 shows and there's a lot of "sameness" both in terms of the setlists and bob's vocal performances. thus, it is difficult to single out a show or shows (other than Turin, Modena and the final London show) as standing out above the others. the good news is that those 3 shows fairly well represent, sum up and document the entire tour. i also suggested Locarno not because bob's performance on 5 October was noticeably special, but because of bob's reported epiphany on that night.

i think we're all in agreement that there's not much need for you to collect any of the shows with the Grateful Dead in July of 1987.

1988 next, this was just a tester/taster.
i have heard all the 87 shows, a differing set of opinions i hoped would maybe drive me to listen to a couple of shows again with fresh ears and it probably will.

Well, it seems as though '87 is finalised. maybe not much interest in the little Euro tour, or everyone is in agreement that Modena, Turin and The Final Night And More is the way to go?

So.

1987.
Modena, 12th September 1987
Turin, 13th September 1987
Locarno, 5th October 1987
London, 17th October 1987 (Final Night And More)

And onto 1988.
A favourite year of mine, a hell of a lot of great shows.
I'll keep my opinions to myself this year, will wait to see what you come up with.
Four shows needed to represent the year though I think.

What are your favourite discs?
What do you recommend to sum up the year?

Jones Beach sbd (of course)
Wanted Man sbd boot (which I have on silvers KTS)
Manchester (the one with the great Visions of Johanna)
And the show where he did that great electric version of Cohen's Hallelujah, I think it was Montreal????

Also Old Orchard Beach sbd will be a must have when it becomes more readily available

I am not too keen on the Radio City Music Hall boot, Stuck Inside of NY as his vocals are shot to hell on it (I also own the silvers of that by KTS)

It does contain a great version of 115th dream on it though

I hate to be boring, but Turin and Modena are the best shows of 1987. I would pick one of the Birmingham shows over the Wembley shows, but I can't remember which one is the best off the top of my head.

Dime at the moment is torrenting all the LTB/LTD recordings of the 1987 shows, a good alternative to the better known CB recordings (not that those aren't good).

As for 1988, a version of the final night at Radio City straight from the mixing board was torrented by lowgen on HungerCity recently. This for me completely replaces the KTS bootleg, which a) runs too fast and b) is in fake stereo.

But my favourite show of the year (and I think I've heard most of them) is the very first show of the NET, Concord, CA 1988-06-07. The quality of the tape is excellent (though it is not, as often claimed, a soundboard), and to hear the first ever live versions of Subterranean Homesick Blues and Absolutely Sweet Marie is thrilling. And Neil Young is on guitar on some tracks. Generally I prefer the first month of 1988 to the later months (with the exception of the Radio City show mentioned above): more varied setlists, better vocals.

But whichever shows you go for, you also need a compilation of the best acoustic songs of the year. I'd go as far as to say as that is is the last great year for acoustic Bob.

[bobsboots.com]

When i heard you was cold
I bought you a coat and hat
I think that you
Must've forgotten about that

Thanks for the heads-up regarding the hungercity final night BT. that was a given for me (along with one other) so have jumped on the torrent.

Bill, if you're reading, 'Maurice Chevalier's passport' is being torrented at hungercity. That was one mental train journey....

brilliant day ! i was supposed to be going the other way...........

When i heard you was cold
I bought you a coat and hat
I think that you
Must've forgotten about that

[bobsboots.com]

Lakes Of Pontchartrain


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When i heard you was cold
I bought you a coat and hat
I think that you
Must've forgotten about that

Eileen Aroon


[www.sendspace.com]

When i heard you was cold
I bought you a coat and hat
I think that you
Must've forgotten about that

Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues


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When i heard you was cold
I bought you a coat and hat
I think that you
Must've forgotten about that

(thanks, Billy-

just downloaded Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues.

anyone (other than 1,000,000 of you already? lol) notice the theme is almost exactly the same as Visions of Johanna (different tempo(speed), tenor--) ?

wild.
back to my productive day here. uh. not.)



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The vomiting crow has been good enough to mail me the four 1987 shows listed. When they arrive I'm more than happy to copy and pass on to someone, maybe get a little vine going, who knows.
So, anyone want them after me, let me know. Sri?

Anyone else care to comment on 1988?
I thought people here might have favourite shows, unbooted etc.

_________
I would rather send you at AM to be shot you stiff shirted,cliqued and clubbed waste of words......please do NOT EVER try and rule me again or believe me........there might be a stramash the result of which you will not win..now go play with the kid and keep out of my ears,eyes, face and space..........a wasted wank you are....so you won't be able to grow up.
Gilp



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The vomiting crow has been good enough to mail me the four 1987 shows listed. When they arrive I'm more than happy to copy and pass on to someone, maybe get a little vine going, who knows.
So, anyone want them after me, let me know. Sri?

Anyone else care to comment on 1988?
I thought people here might have favourite shows, unbooted etc.

Concerning 87 you may want to include Dortmund too, another is Rome which has one of the best Blowin in the winds of the tour as does Helsinki which at the end has the female back ups repeating the line "in the wind, in the wind, in the wind," There is a lot to be said for repetition.

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(thanks, Billy-

just downloaded Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues.

anyone (other than 1,000,000 of you already? lol) notice the theme is almost exactly the same as Visions of Johanna (different tempo(speed), tenor--) ?

wild.
back to my productive day here. uh. not.)

a_fan, I can see what you mean, this version does seem to have echoes of Visions about it.

What you'll find is that over the course of his career Bob has reinvented his songs over and over again, new arrangements, tempos, chords, vibes, and so on. At times (1992 for instance) it has even been hard to tell which songs he is playing. Inevitably, some songs sound like others, but which others may change over time as he changes the songs!

Listening to live Dylan over the years (which can only be done properly using bootleg issues and audience recordings as well as official live albums) is a real journey and essential to really appreciate his music and his genius. 1988 for instance is a great touring year, a very punk-ish sound, but can you get hold of any of this music officially? No is the answer.

Thanks for this thread, Mark - apart from discussing which shows it's worth your while collecting again, it's made me go back to listen to the recommendations once more. Yesterday was Modena 1987 which I thoroughly enjoyed, not having listened to 1987 since I can't remember when, and this evening I think it'll be Turin.

Ditto - right now, listening to Jones Beach 1988.

Better than X Factor or Robin Hood, that's for sure.

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The vomiting crow has been good enough to mail me the four 1987 shows listed. When they arrive I'm more than happy to copy and pass on to someone, maybe get a little vine going, who knows.
So, anyone want them after me, let me know. Sri?

Anyone else care to comment on 1988?
I thought people here might have favourite shows, unbooted etc.

Tiss good to have ye Back here among us Mark .

same CD again

Masters of War


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When i heard you was cold
I bought you a coat and hat
I think that you
Must've forgotten about that